網(wǎng)友在加拿大論壇提問(wèn)：你聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)諾爾曼·白求恩嗎？
Have you heard of Norman Bethune?
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Have you heard of Norman Bethune?
你聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)諾爾曼·白求恩嗎？
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中國(guó)人來(lái)問(wèn)一下。諾爾曼·白求恩是共產(chǎn)主義中國(guó)幾代人最廣為人知的加拿大人了（或許現(xiàn)在更多的年輕人認(rèn)識(shí)的是賈斯丁比伯了吧）。在中國(guó)，每個(gè)人都學(xué)過(guò)他的無(wú)私和偉大，他是如何將自己獻(xiàn)給共產(chǎn)主義事業(yè)直到離世的，這是我們學(xué)校課程的一部分。所以我很好奇他在自己祖國(guó)的聲譽(yù)如何。你們聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)諾爾曼·白求恩嗎？在哪里聽(tīng)到的？
There is a small monument to him in Gravenhurst Ontario,Canada ,although he is not really well known here.
加拿大安大略省的格雷文赫斯特有一座小紀(jì)念碑，盡管他在這里不算真的很出名。
There is another statue of him in Montreal, interesting …
蒙特利爾也有他的另一座雕像，很有趣……
He worked in Montreal during the Depression, before going to Spain and then China to treat people on the front lines.
他在大蕭條期間在蒙特利爾工作過(guò)，然后去了西班牙和中國(guó)治療那里前線上的人們。
There used to be plaque in his name, in Royal Victoria Hospital's lobby, back when it was up on the hill.
在皇家維多利亞醫(yī)院還在山上的時(shí)候，大廳里有一個(gè)紀(jì)念牌上刻著他的名字。
Forget the political angle, he saved a lot of lives.
放下政治角度不談，他拯救了很多生命。
Also did groundbreaking work on blood transfusion as a lifesaving trauma treatment.
在將輸血應(yīng)用為創(chuàng)傷救護(hù)療法這方面，他也做了突破性的工作。
I believe they also have a museum
我記得他們還有個(gè)博物館。
It’s actually his home and they have added a small museum to it.
其實(shí)是他生前的家，他們?cè)谂赃吔艘粋€(gè)小博物館。
Have a couple of the bios. Have seen the old tv movie and the film, both portrayed by Donald Sutherland who was obsessed with him
有幾步自傳影視劇。我看過(guò)老電視劇和電影，都是唐納德·薩瑟蘭演的，他很喜歡白求恩。
Norman Bethune is always a reminder to me that even though I may disagree with someone's politics they can be a great person and do amazing things.
諾爾曼·白求恩永遠(yuǎn)提醒著我，就算我或許不認(rèn)同某人的政治觀點(diǎn)，這個(gè)人仍然可能是很偉大的人，可能會(huì)做出很牛逼的事情。
Yes I know him, and my colleagues who like history and politics know him as well because the topic came up while discussing Canada and China.
沒(méi)錯(cuò)我知道他，我的那些喜歡歷史和政治的同事們也知道他，因?yàn)橛懻撈鸺幽么蠛椭袊?guó)的時(shí)候就會(huì)提起這個(gè)話題。
盡管是個(gè)共產(chǎn)主義者，據(jù)我所知他對(duì)于手上的日本人和國(guó)民黨一視同仁。并且說(shuō)實(shí)話這才是最值得尊重的。
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我很確定安大略省的歷史課教學(xué)大綱里會(huì)簡(jiǎn)短地介紹他。那些喜歡加拿大歷史或政治的的人會(huì)認(rèn)識(shí)他。
Went to school in Ontario and never heard of him, interesting
在安大略上的學(xué)，從來(lái)沒(méi)聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)他，很有趣
He may not be well known now adays, but was a Dr. and social activist. I had heard of him. There are places named after him...
或許今天他沒(méi)那么為人所知了，但他曾是一位醫(yī)生，也是位社會(huì)活動(dòng)家。我聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)他，有很多地方以他的名字命名……
There was a mini series on him on television.I know he is widely admired in China . Most Canadians do not know about him.
曾經(jīng)拍過(guò)一部關(guān)于他的迷你電視劇。我知道他在中國(guó)廣受愛(ài)戴。但絕大多數(shù)加拿大人并不熟悉他。
Younger Canadians don’t know him. He definitely was a humanitarian. Don’t have to like his politics. He treated people that needed medical care.
年輕的加拿大人并不熟悉他。他絕對(duì)是一個(gè)人道主義者。不一定非得喜歡他的政治觀點(diǎn)。他會(huì)治療那些需要醫(yī)療的人。
I'm 50. Never heard about him in school ever. I only know of him thanks to The history channel. Like 20 years ago when they played shows about Actual history on that garbage station.
我今年50歲了，上學(xué)的時(shí)候從來(lái)沒(méi)聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)他。我是通過(guò)歷史頻道了解到他的。差不多20年前吧，那個(gè)垃圾電視臺(tái)還在播出真實(shí)的歷史的節(jié)目。
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I vaguely remember something about him, maybe from one of those history clips on TV from 30 years ago? I'm also picturing Donald Sutherland for some reason.
我好像記得關(guān)于他的一些事情，或許是30年前電視臺(tái)上的歷史節(jié)目片段上記住的？不知道為什么，我腦子里的形象也是唐納德·薩瑟蘭。
I think it depends on your age and whether he was discussed in school. If you graduated before 2000 Com...ism was the great story of our day and his would come up. After 2001 the world started looking at other conflicts.
我感覺(jué)這取決于你年級(jí)多大，以及他在學(xué)校有沒(méi)有被討論。如果你是畢業(yè)于2000前，那共產(chǎn)主義還是我們當(dāng)時(shí)說(shuō)的最多的故事，他就會(huì)被提起來(lái)。2001年之后，全世界都開(kāi)始關(guān)注其他沖突了。
Yeah he was a great man. Side note, I went to summer camp with one of his descendants and he was a rude little shit LOL
聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)，他是個(gè)很偉大的人。順便一提，我和他的一位后代去過(guò)夏令營(yíng)，他人就是個(gè)不講禮貌的小臂崽子哈哈哈
Tbh, Bethune isn’t remembered for his politeness and bedside manner, either.
有一說(shuō)一，白求恩自己也不是因?yàn)橹v文明懂禮貌而被大伙記住的。
I had a principal with the last name Bethune and grew up in the area, I assume he was related. Fuck that guy he was an asshole lM.
我有個(gè)姓白求恩、在那片地方長(zhǎng)大的校長(zhǎng)，我猜他也是個(gè)后代。他媽的那人就是個(gè)混蛋哈哈哈哈
但是諾爾曼·白求恩萬(wàn)歲！
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Yes Im aware of him. I'm not Chinese and grew up in Saskatchewan of Ukrainian descent. During the late 1970s and 1980s he was moderately well known by the Canadian general public and mentioned in the media from time to time because the Chinese cultural revolution had ended and China was opening up to the world. He was used as a bit of a symbolic cultural ambassador/bridge for both governments as relations were thawing. As I recall a movie was even made about him that starred Donald Sutherland.
沒(méi)錯(cuò)，我也知道他。我不是中國(guó)人，我在薩斯克切萬(wàn)省長(zhǎng)大，是烏克蘭后裔。在上世紀(jì)70年代末、80年代初，加拿大大眾還是很了解他的，并且媒體上也提到過(guò)他，因?yàn)橹袊?guó)的文化大革命結(jié)束了，改革開(kāi)放正在讓中國(guó)對(duì)世界打開(kāi)大門。當(dāng)時(shí)兩國(guó)政府都在用他來(lái)作為關(guān)系破冰時(shí)的文化大使和溝通橋梁。我沒(méi)記錯(cuò)的話，有一部關(guān)于他的電影，是唐納德·薩瑟蘭主演。
現(xiàn)在了解他的人變少了，我猜他給加拿大的歷史遺產(chǎn)也會(huì)逐漸消逝，因?yàn)樗同F(xiàn)在的中加關(guān)系聯(lián)系太緊密了。
He was very briefly mentioned in our history class. Had to google him to remember him.
我們的歷史課上曾經(jīng)非常簡(jiǎn)短地提到過(guò)他，我得谷歌一下才能想起他是誰(shuí)。
或許他在中國(guó)革命中扮演的角色才是他在中國(guó)更廣為人知的原因。相對(duì)的，在冷戰(zhàn)期間的加拿大，任何卷入了共產(chǎn)主義的人物都會(huì)被靠邊站。
或許算得上最知名的加拿大人前1000名？
TBF if he’s been taught in school curriculum to 2 billion Chinese he’s probably amongst the top 10 most known Canadians
說(shuō)實(shí)話，如果二十億中國(guó)人的學(xué)校課本里都有他，那我估計(jì)他應(yīng)該算是最知名的前10個(gè)加拿大人了。
He is the real father of socialized medicine in Canada. I don't believe I ever learned about him in school, but I wasn't a good student.
他是加拿大社會(huì)化醫(yī)藥的真正創(chuàng)始人。我不認(rèn)為自己在學(xué)校學(xué)到過(guò)關(guān)于他的故事，但我本來(lái)也不是個(gè)好學(xué)生。
加拿大的學(xué)校是不可能真誠(chéng)地教育有關(guān)共產(chǎn)主義的內(nèi)容的。
I know a fair bit about Bethune or Bai Qui en as my mother’s good friend lived at the Gravenhurst home for some time before it was made into a public museum and wrote the initial materials used as pamphlets and displays for the public there (at the time he was working on his PhD).
我對(duì)白求恩稍微有所耳聞，我媽有個(gè)好朋友在白求恩的格萊文赫斯特舊居住過(guò)一段時(shí)間，那是在那里改成公共博物館之前，他還寫了最開(kāi)始用于展出和宣傳的材料（當(dāng)時(shí)他還在讀自己的博士學(xué)位）。
我父母也是中國(guó)改革開(kāi)放時(shí)第一批前往中國(guó)旅行的人，我媽媽得幫助由中國(guó)政府制定的導(dǎo)游一起向旅客們解釋南京的革命烈士紀(jì)念碑，旅游團(tuán)有一半都是無(wú)法理解的美國(guó)人，此外她還解釋了白求恩做的事情，以及他給加拿大與中國(guó)兩國(guó)帶來(lái)的連接。
36, I don’t know who he is, my school curriculum in Alberta did have a focus on “Com...ism=bad capitalism=good” in 10th or 11th grade.
今年36歲。我不認(rèn)識(shí)他是誰(shuí)，我們阿爾伯塔的學(xué)校教學(xué)大綱在10年級(jí)或者11年級(jí)的時(shí)候，會(huì)著重講“共產(chǎn)主義不好，資本主義好”這件事。
One of my high school teachers was an expert on Bethune, and had even written a couple of books about him.
我高中有個(gè)老師是白求恩的專家，甚至寫過(guò)幾本關(guān)于他的書。
Only because York University has a Bethune College that was next to the residence I lived in (Stong) and at a certain point, after we answered the question, “What’s a Stong?” We moved on to, “What’s a Bethune?”
只因?yàn)榧s克大學(xué)有個(gè)白求恩學(xué)院，就挨著我住的斯通學(xué)院的旁邊，于是在我們問(wèn)完了“斯通是啥玩意兒??？”之后，我們就開(kāi)始問(wèn)，“白求恩是啥玩意兒啊？
Yes. I just did the Terry Fox Run and everyone was speaking about how he was the only Canadian hero. What about Dr. Norman Bethune?
我也認(rèn)識(shí)。我剛跑了一次慈善路跑活動(dòng)，所有人都在說(shuō)創(chuàng)辦者泰瑞?？怂故羌幽么笪ㄒ坏挠⑿邸Ｄ侵Z爾曼·白求恩醫(yī)生呢？
在1990年，我看了白求恩的電影，由唐納德·薩瑟蘭主演。令人贊嘆！
此后我成為了一名老師，我還在給學(xué)生們講他的故事，但或許我是唯一一個(gè)。
我真希望自己住在安大略的時(shí)候，有機(jī)會(huì)去看看他在安大略省格萊文赫斯特的舊居?，F(xiàn)在那里是個(gè)紀(jì)念館了。
Yes, there's a statue of him in Montreal near Concordia university. Unfortunately pigeons crap on his head
沒(méi)錯(cuò)，蒙特利爾的康考迪亞大學(xué)附近有一座為他而立的紀(jì)念碑。不幸的是腦袋上落了不少鴿子屎。
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I read about him in school.
我在學(xué)校讀到過(guò)他的故事
當(dāng)時(shí)他因?yàn)樵谳斞惙矫孀龀龅呢暙I(xiàn)，被描述成了加拿大的驕傲。
但我們課本上學(xué)到的顯然不是這樣，并且考慮到今天地緣政治的趨勢(shì)，大概最近他是不會(huì)重回加拿大的熱點(diǎn)話題了。
不論如何，放下政治不談，我認(rèn)為他是個(gè)非常杰出的人，在一個(gè)困難的時(shí)代，他為盡可能多的人做出了最大的善事。
There are modest memorials to him here and there. A statue, a street or housing co op say. And most Canadians have heard of him through the TV shows and movies; at least older Canadians like me. But I would say he’s probably better known in the medical community. He is in the medical hall of fame and is known not so much for his humanity but for his innovations in blood collection
加拿大這里到處都有簡(jiǎn)樸的紀(jì)念物。雕像，街道或者住房合作社之類的。絕大多數(shù)加拿大人都是通過(guò)電視劇和電影了解的他，至少我這樣的老一輩加拿大人是這樣的。但我想說(shuō)的是，他在醫(yī)學(xué)界應(yīng)該更為人所知。他是醫(yī)學(xué)名人堂的成員，在那里他最為人所知的不是自己的人道主義，而是在抽血方面的創(chuàng)新。
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I've heard of him, but I believe he's a rather obscure figure within Canada. He's mostly recognised within Canada for being recognised within the ***.
我聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)這個(gè)人，但我覺(jué)得他在加拿大應(yīng)該算是非常小眾的歷史人物。加拿大人知道他，基本都是因?yàn)橹袊?guó)對(duì)他的認(rèn)可。
他很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間以前就去世了，70年代毛澤東公開(kāi)贊揚(yáng)他的時(shí)候，他的人氣達(dá)到了頂峰，所以年青一代或許對(duì)他了解很少。說(shuō)實(shí)話盡管我知道這個(gè)名字，但是我得去查一查才能知道他到底做了什么事。
I have and love his politics most of all.
我認(rèn)識(shí)，并且我很喜歡他的政治觀點(diǎn)。
無(wú)產(chǎn)階級(jí)除了身上的枷鎖一無(wú)所有。
Bethune is much better known for his work in China, by the Chinese, than he's ever been in Canada. Prior to my first visit to China, I was aware of him, but after being asked about him, and hearing him mentioned multiple times in the first few days in the country, I was determined to learn more when I got home.
白求恩或許在中國(guó)為中國(guó)人所知的程度比在加拿大要廣泛得多。我第一次去中國(guó)之前知道這個(gè)人，但是在抵達(dá)中國(guó)之后的幾天里，我好幾次聽(tīng)到別人提起他、自己被問(wèn)起他的事情之后，就決定回家之后要多了解一下這個(gè)人。
非常厲害的人，偉大的醫(yī)者和人道主義者。他直接或間接地救下了數(shù)百萬(wàn)人的生命。
I was one of the students at York University in the early 1970s who campaigned to have a college named after Dr. Bethune, and when it was, I lived in the residence. Many students greatly admired him and the work he did.
我上世紀(jì)70年代在約克大學(xué)讀書，當(dāng)時(shí)他們有個(gè)學(xué)院是以白求恩大夫命名的，我就住在那個(gè)學(xué)院的宿舍。很多學(xué)生都非常仰慕他，和他的事跡。