是時候討論中國房間里的大象了 - 住在長江下游要如何應(yīng)對寒冷但又沒有暖氣的冬天？
I think it's the right time to discuss the elephant in the room here in China
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如果你住在長江下游，你要如何應(yīng)對寒冷和沒有供暖系統(tǒng)的天氣？
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I think it's the right time to discuss the elephant in the room here in China
我認(rèn)為現(xiàn)在是討論中國房間里的大象的時候了
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At home, I manage with air conditioners and a bathroom heater – not great, not terrible. However, the endless office and factory days are pure misery.
And stepping into a mall or hotel? Instant sauna, no way to escape.
Thankfully, I'm in Guangdong now, and I hope this won't last long. Still, memories of the chilling winters in Chongqing make me shiver.
When I first arrived in China, my interpreter asked, 'How many trousers do you have?' I couldn't recall, maybe 2 or 3. He wasn't satisfied with my answer and persisted until I realized he meant how many layers of trousers I was wearing
如果你住在長江下游，你要如何應(yīng)對寒冷和沒有供暖系統(tǒng)的天氣？
在家里，我只能靠空調(diào)和浴室里的暖氣--不算好，也不算糟糕。然而，無休止的辦公室和工廠生活完全是一種折磨。
而走進(jìn)商場或酒店呢？瞬間變桑拿，無處可逃。
幸好我現(xiàn)在在廣東，希望這種情況不會持續(xù)太久。不過，回憶起重慶寒冷的冬天，我還是不寒而栗。
剛到中國時，我的翻譯問：“你有幾條褲子？”“我記不清了，大概兩三條吧。”他不滿意我的回答，繼續(xù)追問，直到我意識到他指的是我穿了幾層褲子。
The buildings are made of paper but luckily electricity is so cheap that blasting the heating constantly barely affects your monthly budget.
這些建筑薄得跟紙似的，但幸運(yùn)的是電費(fèi)非常便宜，不停地吹暖氣幾乎不會影響你每月的預(yù)算。
Electricity is getting slowly slightly more expensive no? Or maybe I am stupid and my mind just feels like it's more expensive lM
電費(fèi)在慢慢變貴，不是嗎？或者是我想太多了，我只是覺得電費(fèi)更貴了。
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It is indeed getting more expensive.Before I would pay 150 rmb per month with electrical heaters now 250 rmb per month is not even enough
現(xiàn)在確實(shí)越來越貴了。以前我每個月要付 150 元的電暖氣費(fèi)，現(xiàn)在每個月 250 元都不夠了。
Ok but … that’s a terrible solution that’s impacting adversely everyone . Climate change and waste of energy resources. Buildings should be better insulated
好吧，但是……這是一個糟糕的解決方案，會對每個人產(chǎn)生不利影響。氣候變化和能源浪費(fèi)。建筑物應(yīng)該更好地隔熱
It's not cold in Guangdong now, it's finally FINALLY not hot
廣東現(xiàn)在不冷，而是終于“不熱”了
I was transitting guangdong omw home from Sanya last month. Guangzhou felt freezing to me lol
上個月，我從三亞經(jīng)廣東中轉(zhuǎn)回國。廣州給我的感覺很冷，哈哈
I think a tropical heat in elevators, malls, and taxis is a bigger problem than the cold itself.
我認(rèn)為電梯、商場和出租車?yán)锏臒崂吮群浔旧砀屓祟^疼。
This is the elephant in the room? Haha Buy a fucking heater and get off of Reddit lad Jesus Christ
這就是房間里的大象？哈哈，買個該死的加熱器，別再上 Reddit 嗶嗶了，上帝啊
Yeah - I can think of more elephants in the room regarding China than the fact that OP needs to buy another space heater and some Uniqlo heat tech.
是的 - 比起 OP 需要再買一個加熱器和一些優(yōu)衣庫的發(fā)熱技術(shù)，我能想到更多關(guān)于中國的“房間里的大象”。
China has many issues like most places. It just blows my mind that people need to come to Reddit to talk about such tiny things. But, I suppose we're even worse for leaving comments, right?
和大多數(shù)地方一樣，中國也有很多問題。我很震驚，人們竟然需要到 Reddit 來討論這些雞毛蒜皮的小事。不過，我想我們更不應(yīng)該在這種帖子里留下評論，對吧？
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I was suprised and a little disappointed when I opened the thread. I thought it was going to be one of the big elephants. This is not even an elephant. It's an ant
當(dāng)我打開這個帖子時，我很驚訝，也有點(diǎn)失望。我以為會是一頭大象。這根本不是大象。這是一只螞蟻
Nah it's good to talk about tiny things. Particularly in reddit where everything is either one extreme or the other for anything relating to china (just look at r/china and r/sino, those subs are crazy, I enjoy the small talk about actual live in china).
不，談?wù)撘恍┬∈潞芎?。特別是在 reddit 上，所有與中國有關(guān)的東西要么是一個極端，要么是另一個極端（看看 r/china 和 r/sino就知道了，那些板塊太瘋狂了，我喜歡談?wù)撛谥袊恼鎸?shí)生活）。
Who would have thought winter heating was so controversial a subject? If people get heated for this...
誰會想到冬季供暖是一個如此有爭議的話題？如果人們因?yàn)檫@個問題而紅溫...
Then they won't have to worry about coping with the cold.
這樣他們就不必?fù)?dān)心如何應(yīng)對寒冷了。
I'm with you OP, I just spent a few weeks in southern China and it dropped 10 degrees in a single night
我支持你，OP，我剛在中國南方待了幾個星期，一個晚上氣溫就下降了 10 度。
When I lived in JS province, we didn't have heater either but it's not hard to buy one... some just choose to wear more layers
我住在江蘇省的時候，我們也沒有暖氣，但買一個也不難……有些人只是選擇多穿幾層而已
Move to north and it is fine.
Most of South China are economic juggernauts but absolutely miserable in climate. Yunnan being a major exception.
搬到北方就好了。
中國南方大部分地區(qū)經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)達(dá)，但氣候絕對惡劣。云南是個大例外。
Fujian, guangdong is miserable in climate?
福建、廣東氣候惡劣？
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The humidity? Especially summertime?
那個濕度？特別是夏天？
I remember wandering around Chengdu on a snowy day desperately looking for a place to eat lunch that wasn't bone-chilling. Most places had their doors and windows open despite the below-freezing temperatures.
Finally, I found a Korean restaurant with doors closed and heat blasting, so I ate there and stayed for a few hours basking in the warmth.
我記得在一個大雪紛飛的日子里，我在成都四處游蕩，拼命尋找一個不會讓人感到刺骨寒冷的地方吃午飯。盡管氣溫在零度以下，但大多數(shù)地方的門窗都開著。
最后，我找到一家韓國餐廳，店門緊閉，熱氣騰騰，于是我就在那里吃了一頓飯，并在溫暖的環(huán)境中待了幾個小時。
It’s been snowing since morning in Nanjing .
南京從早上就在下雪了。
Wooow, it's been long
嗚哇好難得
I'm in Chongqing and when I'm at home I just wear layers. Or I'll turn the heat on the AC for a short while. I'm kinda used to it now
我就在重慶，在家的時候我就多穿層衣服。或者開一會兒空調(diào)。我現(xiàn)在已經(jīng)有點(diǎn)習(xí)慣了
Same, lived in Chongqing for several years and mostly adjusted.
我也一樣，在重慶住了幾年，基本適應(yīng)了。
Huh my ac doesn't have heat tho
呃，但是我的空調(diào)沒有暖氣模式
Got a great HVAC in my place now, just turn it on to 21-22 degrees, takes care of things when I'm home all day. Other than that, it's just like home, only dryer
我家現(xiàn)在有一個很棒的暖通空調(diào)，只需將其打開到 21-22 度，當(dāng)我整天在家時就可以處理所有事情。除此之外，就像家里一樣，只是更干
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Yes, as I said at home is manageble, the problem is at work.
是的，正如我所說，在家里是可以解決的，問題是在工作中。
Yeah, just post up in the office, remind people to close the door, etc. Some days I give up and find an empty room with a heater and work there
嗯，那就在辦公室里張貼公告，提醒大家關(guān)門等等。雖然有些時候我會放棄這么做，找個有暖氣的空房間在那里工作
OP
Aren't you worried they're gonna die without "fresh air"?
你不擔(dān)心他們沒有“新鮮空氣”就會死嗎？
Fair, but I've been fortunate lately with that, not as many people pushing for that lately
確實(shí)，但我最近還算幸運(yùn)，最近沒有那么多人要求這樣做了
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So north of the Yangtze... isn't all that great either. It's minus 15 outside where I live over night (and sometimes during the day), and the heating (which you can't control) means that you actually have to sleep with the window open every single night. When you walk in the door, you more or less have to strip down to underwear only and then you're still sweating because the temperature is up to 28 inside.
So you pay for heating. Then if you can't handle the extreme heat, you pay for air conditioning to cool it down... and the cycle never ends.
This year I said I'm not paying for heating again and I'd just go without but the landlord forgot to have it turned off this year and then it was too late (there's a cut off date). Anyway. I'd much prefer to be able to regulate my own heating at home rather than have dictated to me that it needs to be 28 plus morning and night. It's so hot and stuffy I could vomit.
長江以北......也不是那么好。我住的地方晚上室外零下 15 度（有時白天也是零下 15 度），暖氣（你無法控制）意味著實(shí)際上你每晚都得開著窗戶睡覺。當(dāng)你進(jìn)門時，或多或少都要脫得只剩內(nèi)衣，然后你還在出汗，因?yàn)槭覂?nèi)溫度高達(dá) 28 度。
所以你要付暖氣費(fèi)。然后，如果你受不了酷熱，你又要花錢買空調(diào)降溫......如此循環(huán)往復(fù)，永無休止。
今年，我說我再也不付暖氣費(fèi)了，我就不用暖氣了，但房東今年忘了關(guān)暖氣，然后就來不及了（有個截止日期）。總之。我更希望能自己調(diào)節(jié)家里的暖氣，而不是被要求早晚都要 28 度以上。悶熱得讓人想吐。
That's Russia's style.
I am curious: how much is the heating?
俄羅斯也是這樣。
我很好奇：暖氣多少錢？
I think every city charges a different price actually, where I live we pay 30 RMB per square metre, so it's just over 3000 for my apartment. It goes up a little each year, just a few RMB.
That gives you heat for most of November (starting at a low temperature and gradually building up to full temp from maybe 1st week of December) until early March when it slowly tapers off from maybe 3rd week of Feb or so!
If you DON'T want the heating on, you still need to pay a fee of 1500 RMB for it to be stopped for the year.
我想每個城市的收費(fèi)都不一樣，我住的地方每平方米 30 元，所以我的公寓才 3000 多元。每年都會漲一點(diǎn)，幾塊錢而已。
這樣，你就可以在 11 月的大部分時間里用上暖氣（從低溫開始，逐漸升溫，大概從 12 月的第一周開始），直到 3 月初，從 2 月的第三周左右開始慢慢減弱！
如果你不想要暖氣，還需要支付 1500 元人民幣的費(fèi)用，才能在一年內(nèi)停止供暖。
OP
Seems a bargain to me!
How can you think to survive with an outside temp. of -15 and no heating?
在我看來很便宜！
室外溫度零下 15 度，又沒有暖氣，你怎么能活下去？
haha yeah you're right. It would just be nice if you could control the temperature yourself - rather than having a 28 degree plus home all winter. 24 I could handle haha
哈哈，你說得對。如果能自己控制溫度就好了--而不是整個冬天家里的溫度都在 28 度以上。24 度我還能承受，哈哈
I got a panasonic electric radiator and it works wonders. Those cheap oil radiator didn't do much before and I had to use the AC with it to be very effective, which wasted a lot of energy.
On a side note I will never understand why people insist on keeping windows open when it's 0 degrees C. I'm trying to warm up the house FFS. Cold temperatures are bad for health and they're bad for the house, why don't people have a that minimum of common sense is beyond me.
我買了一個松下電散熱器，效果非常好。以前那些廉價的油汀散熱器沒什么用，我必須用空調(diào)才能有效加熱，這浪費(fèi)了很多能源。
說句題外話，我永遠(yuǎn)不明白為什么人們堅持在 0 攝氏度的時候開著窗戶。低溫對健康不利，對房子也不利，為什么人們連最起碼的常識都沒有，我實(shí)在想不通。
Meanwhile the western world have to reeducate themselves about benefit of ventilation in combating air-borne diseases.
A double edged sword, made from cold steel…
與此同時，西方國家必須重新認(rèn)識通風(fēng)對防治空氣傳播疾病的益處。
這是一把雙刃劍，由冷鋼制成……
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Nobody ignores that. I don't know anybody who doesn't open their windows at least once a day to get some fresh air.
However 30 mins a day is more than enough for the whole house. You don't need to literally keep your windows open 24/7 when it's -3C or +35C outside.
沒有人會忽視這一點(diǎn)。我不知道有誰每天不至少開一次窗呼吸新鮮空氣。
不過，每天 30 分鐘對于整個房子來說已經(jīng)足夠了。當(dāng)室外溫度為零下 3 攝氏度或零上 35 攝氏度時，你并不需要全天候開著窗戶。
Its 3 degrees in Chongqing, and I’m currently sitting in my office wrapped in a blanket. I have the heat on but my colleagues keep opening the damn windows!!!
重慶的氣溫只有 3 度，而我現(xiàn)在正裹著毯子坐在辦公室里。我開著暖氣，但我的同事們卻一直在打開該死的窗戶?。?！
I'm in Chengdu, which is not below the Yangtze, but also not very cold throughout the year and has comparable weather to Chongqing (although not that hot in summer) and many homes do have heating here. No central heating, but most homes have their own boilers and newer apartments also have floor heating. If you don't have that, then layer up.
我所在的成都不在長江下游，但一年四季也不太冷，天氣與重慶相當(dāng)（雖然夏天沒那么熱），而且很多家庭都有暖氣。這里沒有集中供暖，但大多數(shù)家庭都有自己的鍋爐，較新的公寓還有地暖。如果都沒有，那就多穿一層吧。
get an apartment with 地暖 (floor heating). Will feel like summer
找一套有地暖的公寓。會有夏天的感覺
I don’t think op knows what an elephant looks like…
我認(rèn)為op不知道大象長什么樣......
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One of the lesser elephants that needs to be addressed. "Time to address the badger in the room..."
是需要解決的“小象”之一?！笆菚r候解決房間里的獾了......”
Plenty of em here in Yunnan, have to be careful on the rural roads as there are elephant crossings and they’ll charge at cars if a calf is around.
云南有很多大象，在鄉(xiāng)村公路上要小心，因?yàn)橛写笙筮^路，如果有小象在附近，它們就會沖向汽車。
Every ac unit is a heater. Never really understood the problem
每臺空調(diào)都是一個加熱器。完全不能理解這個問題
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Lots of new energy efficient acs dont have enough btu to heat larger rooms like my living room, but they're enough to keep things cool enough in the summer. Even with my ac on full blast heat mode, I still have to wear a sweater and thermals. In the States, I would be in my underwear even in a blizzard with how efficient my northeast home insulation and central heating is.
很多新型節(jié)能空調(diào)的熱量不足以為像我的客廳這樣較大的房間供暖，但足以在夏天保持涼爽。即使我的空調(diào)開啟了全速加熱模式，我還是得穿毛衣和保暖衣。在美國，由于我的東北部住宅隔熱和中央供暖效率很高，即使在暴風(fēng)雪中我也會只穿著內(nèi)衣。
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I think a bit part of it is the insulation, it's practially non existent in China, the "double glazing" is utter shite, I can hear everything my neighbours, or someone on the street below, is saying
我認(rèn)為其中有一部分原因是隔熱性能，這在中國幾乎是不存在的，“雙層玻璃”完全是垃圾，我可以聽到我的鄰居或樓下街道上的人說的任何話
Well in fact people who lived in the "No heating area" are much more healthy.
People whos lives in the cold area were more willing to stay at home with hot heaters.
And that made them more easy to get cold or cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases
事實(shí)上，生活在“無供暖區(qū)”的人更健康。
生活在寒冷地區(qū)的人更愿意待在家里取暖。
這使他們更容易患感冒或心腦血管疾病。
I wear good quality hiking shoes with warm woolly socks - keeping feet warm seems to be key.
Apart from that, layers that can be easily added and subtracted, and a small portable electric heater for the office under my desk (that I am not supposed to have).
You can buy little 'warm pack' things in most stores for hands/pockets if you are out and about.
我的辦法是穿雙質(zhì)量好的登山鞋和保暖的羊毛襪子--保持腳部溫暖似乎是關(guān)鍵。
除此以外，我還會在辦公桌下放一個小型便攜式電暖器（我不應(yīng)該帶這種東西的）。
如果你出門在外，可以在大多數(shù)商店里買到小“保暖包”，放在手上/口袋里。
I have 3 hot water bottles. 2 at home on rotation, one in the office where I just shiver to warm up
我有3個熱水袋。 2個在家里輪流用，1個在辦公室，我用顫抖來發(fā)熱
Uniqlo is your friend.
Their heat tech thermals, even the most basic one, are more than enough for Guangdong winters. Also their ultra-light down body warmer vests are a great investment. Wear one of those when you're inside and you won't need a heater at all.
優(yōu)衣庫是你的朋友。
他們的熱科技保暖衣，即使是最基本的，也足以應(yīng)付廣東的冬天。此外，他們的超輕羽絨保暖背心也是一項(xiàng)不錯的投資。在室內(nèi)穿上一件，你就完全不需要暖氣了。
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I have a thick blanket that I'm perpetually wrapped in when I am in my house and wear around like a cocoon.
我有一條厚厚的毯子，在家里的時候我總是會裹著它，像繭一樣裹在身上。
I go between Northeast China and Yunnan, if were in the north during the winter, we just turn on the heater and wear thick PJs but I get the dread of getting out the room and the between a of work and home, our school are cheap and don’t want us to use the heaters in the classrooms as it’ll drive up costs. They only have them on if parents are coming or they’re doing a tour for potential customers.
我往返于中國東北和云南之間，如果冬天在北方，我們就打開暖氣，穿上厚厚的睡衣，但我害怕走出房間，以及在工作和家之間來回奔波，我們的學(xué)校很吝嗇，不希望我們在教室里使用暖氣，因?yàn)檫@會增加成本。只有在家長來訪或潛在客戶參觀時，他們才會打開暖氣。
It's snowing today in Suzhou. honestly china sucks in this regard . My company heating sucks and everyone wears a winter jacket.
今天蘇州下雪了。老實(shí)說，中國在這方面很糟糕。我所在的公司暖氣也很差，每個人都穿著冬衣。
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electric hot water bag, 暖寶寶, good quality down coat and underwear.
電熱水袋，暖寶寶，優(yōu)質(zhì)羽絨服和內(nèi)衣。
You get used to it. And on the plus side you'll never fear cold again. :D
你會習(xí)慣的。從好的方面來說，你將永遠(yuǎn)不會再害怕寒冷。:D
Idk I just wear a jacket in the house lol. My gf insists on having a bunch of windows open for “fresh air” so we’ve basically got no insulation lol.
When I was in Korea I had floor heating , that was amazing in the winter. I liked it even better than normal centralized heating. I’m sure there’s places in China with that too
我也不知道，我在家里穿著夾克哈哈。我的女朋友堅持要開很多窗戶來呼吸“新鮮空氣”，所以我們基本上沒有隔熱哈哈。
我在韓國的時候，家里有地暖，這在冬天真是太棒了。我喜歡它甚至勝過普通的集中供暖。我相信中國也有這樣的地方
In fact, Chongqing is already a less cold city in the south. I am in Nanjing, and the people here seem to have the Iceman gene.
其實(shí)，重慶已經(jīng)是南方不那么冷的城市了。我在南京，這里的人似乎都有“冰人”的基因。
It's snowing in Guiyang today and yet, heating is nowhere to be found outside of my apartment space heater and the subway. Tell me to "grow some balls" all you want, but the cold is miserable especially when there isn't ever much of a way to escape.
貴陽今天下雪了，但除了公寓和地鐵外，根本找不到其他供暖的地方。你可以跟我說“是爺們就給我挺著”，但寒冷實(shí)在是太可怕了，尤其是在沒有什么辦法可以躲避的情況下。
Have you tried Hunan? The people there leave their windows open all year even in winter - because fresh air. I am sitting in full winter attire at home in the living room
你去過湖南嗎？那里的人一年四季都開著窗戶，即使是冬天--因?yàn)樾枰迈r空氣。我穿著一身冬裝坐在家里的客廳里
Im in Shenzhen, this is not cold
我在深圳，這里不冷
My office usually keeps room temperature at what I'm guessing is a brisk 39C. Today, when I got in, it was around 14C around the office. My fingers were freezing from typing.
Like, just pick a lane. I'll work in my underwear or wear a winter coat. Just tell me which.
我辦公室的室溫通常保持在 39 攝氏度左右。今天，當(dāng)我進(jìn)來時，辦公室周圍的溫度大約是 14 攝氏度。我打字的手指都凍僵了。
給我選一條道走到底啊。我可以穿著單衣工作，也可以穿著冬衣。但是拜托告訴我是哪種