Reddit熱帖：光纖覆蓋在烏克蘭希望的田野上

Iron_Wolf0251·2d ago
Aw sweet. Man made horrors
多么甜蜜。人為的恐怖

SuperTulle·2d ago
Within my comprehension   
在我的理解范圍內(nèi)

Royal-Doctor-278·1d ago
Each one of those lines is a dead or wounded soldier. Insane.
每一根線都是一個死去或受傷的士兵。瘋狂。

nareikellok·1d ago
I think you might be overestimating their success rates.
我認為你可能高估了他們的成功率。

BradFromTinder·1d ago
Umm, naw not exactly. I think you might be severely overestimating the success of these drones.z
嗯，不完全是這樣。我想你可能嚴重高估了這些無人機的成功。

Mainreset·2d ago
Looks like modern day equivalent of shell craters during WW1
看起來像是第一次世界大戰(zhàn)時的彈坑的現(xiàn)代版本。

tightspandex·1d ago
We have those too.
我們也有這些。

TotallynotburntTroy·1d ago
More like the miles and miles of barbed wire during ww1
更像是第一次世界大戰(zhàn)時綿延數(shù)英里的鐵絲網(wǎng)

USSZim·1d ago
The cleanup after this war is going to be a massive undertaking
這場戰(zhàn)爭的清理工作將是一項艱巨的任務

Dank_Nicholas·7h ago
The horrible reality is that large parts of Ukraine are going to become off limits Red zones like the ones that still exist in France to this day.
可怕的現(xiàn)實是，烏克蘭的大部分地區(qū)將變成禁區(qū)，就像法國至今仍然存在的那些紅 色區(qū)域一樣。
Unless there is a massive breakthrough in de mining technology it would take centuries to clear Ukraine even if the war ended and full efforts began today.
除非地雷清除技術取得重大突破，否則即使戰(zhàn)爭結束，從今天開始全力清理，清理 烏克蘭也需要數(shù)百年。

USSZim·6h ago
Yeah it's terrible, since so much of Ukraine was great wheat farming land.
是啊，這太糟糕了，因為烏克蘭有大量非常適合種植小麥的土地。

Pukit·2d ago
It looks quite serene, until you think each one of these strands could leak to a successful life taken, from either side, then it gets pretty harrowing pretty fast.
它看起來相當寧靜，但當你想到每一根線都可能導致一條生命的逝去，無論從哪一邊，情況很快就會變得非?？膳?。

uid_0·1d ago
Webs from a fiber optic spider.
光纖蜘蛛的網(wǎng)。

backobmybs·2d ago
Could all this be repurposed or reused or recycled?
所有這些都能被重新利用或回收嗎？

paxtonious·2d ago
Yes but you'll need to go to a war zone to collect it.
是的，但你需要去戰(zhàn)區(qū)才能收集它。

69taco69·1d ago
Also the cost of mobilizing someone to spool up used wire would outweigh a new roll of cable lol
此外，派人去回收舊光纖所需的成本會超過購買新卷光纖的成本，哈哈

backobmybs·1d ago
Forever Winter vibes   
永恒的寒冬氛圍

PlentyOMangos·1d ago
Lotta money in this shit
這里面有很多錢

Atomsk_12·1d ago
Oh yeah?   
哦，是嗎？
Nod  
點頭
"And I thought I would be bustin' my balls on this no-work job fo nothin' "
"我還以為我會在這份閑差上白費力氣呢"

geschwader_geralt·1d ago
If I were to get philosophical, this has quite a bit of it.
如果我變得哲學起來，有相當一部分原因在這里。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
Can someone explain why is this dangerous? I have no clue.
有人能解釋為什么這很危險嗎？我完全不明白。

TheHancock·1d ago
The strings themselves are not inherently dangerous, however each one represents a drone that was used to kill someone.
這些線本身并不危險，但每一根線代表一架曾用來殺人的無人機。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
What does FPV mean? And also (last question I promise), are the cables just a representation of the killing or are they actively used with the drone to get the kill?
FPV 是什么意思？還有（我保證這是最后一個問題），這些線僅僅是殺戮 的象征，還是它們會與無人機一起被實際使用來殺人？

TheHancock·1d ago
While I will admit these are extremely basic questions that google could answer for you, I will answer them. Lol
雖然我承認這些問題非常基礎，谷歌可以為你解答，但我還是回答一 下。哈哈
FPV: First Person View. You fly the drone with basically a VR helmet/goggles and you see what the drone sees.
FPV：第一人稱視角。你戴著 VR 頭盔/眼鏡來駕駛無人機，看到無 人機所看到的一切。
Each of those wires is what was used to control the aforementioned FPV drone. So, to answer your question… yes.
每根線都是用來控制上述 FPV 無人機的。所以，回答你的問題…… 是的。
They might not literally represent a kill, but they were used to control the drone to try and kill someone. Some of those probably killed multiple people at once too.
它們可能并不真正代表擊殺，但它們被用來控制無人機試圖擊殺某 人。其中一些可能一次性擊殺了多人。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
Thank you for answering my questions
感謝您回答我的問題

malgenone·1d ago
This whole time I thought they were flying them wireless through satcom or something.
這整個時間我以為是它們通過衛(wèi)星通信或其他方式無線飛行的。

tableball35·1d ago
Some are some aren’t. FOC/Physical Guidance are much harder to jam comparatively, but can be more limited in range and maneuvers, whereas wireless are easier to jam and trace the operators back to their position using SIGINT/EW stuff.
有些是，有些不是。光纖/物理引導相對來說更難被干擾，但范圍和 機動性可能更有限，而無線方式更容易被干擾，并且可以使用信號情 報/電子戰(zhàn)手段追蹤操作員的位置。

Nameis-RobertPaulson·21h ago
Many were 'radio controlled' but jamming and interception of signals becomes a problem with the growing Electronic Warfare battle. They swapped to Fiber optics since it's proven tech with TOW missiles and unjammable.
很多是“遙控”的，但隨著電子戰(zhàn)戰(zhàn)斗的升級，干擾和信號攔截成為一 個問題。它們改用光纖，因為TOW導彈已經(jīng)證明光纖技術是不 可 干擾的。

Malganas·1d ago
How long are these cables? You would think that these drones are managed by pilots 100s of kilometers away.
這些線纜有多長？你會以為這些無人機是由數(shù)百公里外的飛行員操作。

TheHancock·1d ago
Nah, most FPV style drone only have like a max range of maybe 5km. It’s the new mortars, only a few hundred meters away.
不，大多數(shù)FPV類型的無人機最大射程可能只有5公里左右。那是一種新式迫擊炮，只有幾百米遠。

mnotme·16h ago
The cable can be 20+ km long but a long cable = more weight = less payload.
這根線纜可以長達 20 多公里，但長線纜=更重=有效載荷減少。

SmokedBeef·1d ago
Essentially jamming and electronic warfare in this conflict peaked a while ago and now instead of relying on wireless control of drones exclusively, in some areas they use ultralight fiber optic wire to run between the drone and operator to ensure the drone makes it to the target successfully.
本質(zhì)上，這場沖突中的干擾和電子戰(zhàn)在一段時間前達到了頂峰，現(xiàn)在他們不再完全 依賴無線控制無人機，而是在某些區(qū)域使用超輕光纖線纜在無人機和操作員之間運 行，以確保無人機成功到達目標。

Hkonz·1d ago
Do both sides use them now? I remember at first, only Russians had these.
雙方現(xiàn)在都使用嗎？我記得一開始只有俄羅斯有這些。

SmokedBeef·1d ago
Yes, jamming is truly insurmountable in some locations and this is the only option. As far as timeline, I can’t tell when Ukraine started their own version of these tethered drones but it wasn’t long after Russia.
是的，在某些地點干擾確實難以克服，這是唯一的選擇。至于時間線，我無法確定 烏克蘭何時開始使用自己的有線無人機版本，但那是在俄羅斯之后不久。

DotDootDotDoot·1d ago
Radio signals are easily jammed. So when it's not possible to control the drone by radio, they use a cable. Optic fiber over normal copper cables is necessary to not have response delays that make controlling the drone difficult.
無線電信號很容易被干擾。所以當無法通過無線電控制無人機時，他們使用一根線 纜。與普通銅纜相比，使用光纖是必要的，可以避免響應延遲，以免讓控制無人機 變得困難。

SongsAboutFracking·1d ago
I do not believe that is the case, copper wire and fiber optic fines have similar transmission speeds. It almost certainly instead due to bandwidth, weight and signal integrity, especially when considering that the length of the copper cable would essentially become an antenna, capable of emitting and receiving interference.
我不認為情況是這樣，銅線和光纖的傳輸速度相似。幾乎可以肯定是由于帶寬、重 量和信號完整性，尤其是考慮到銅纜的長度實際上會變成一個天線，能夠發(fā)射和接 收干擾。

Dragon029·1d ago
The fibre optic isn't used for latency; at these sorts of distances it's not discernable. Rather it's used for data throughput / signal integrity and mass (copper being a lot heavier than plastic or glass).
光纖不是用來減少延遲的；在這樣距離下，延遲是不可察覺的。它主要是由于數(shù)據(jù) 吞吐量/信號完整性和重量（銅比塑料或玻璃重得多）。

MrSierra125·1d ago
First person view   
第一人稱視角
No the cables jsut send signals to the drone
不是的，這些線纜只是向無人機發(fā)送信號

BradFromTinder·1d ago
I wouldn’t really go as far as to say each one represents a life lost. Infact, I would wager it’s far less than you would think.
我并不會真的說每一根線纜都代表一個生命的逝去。實際上，我敢打賭這遠比你想象的 要少。

ppmi2·1d ago
FPVs are quadcopter drones controled with first person view gogles(Thats where FPV comes from), they get a warhead attached and are then rammed against the enemy or ussed to drop explosives, due to electronic warfare dropping radio controlled drones Russians and latter Ukranians started to control their own drones with a FO cable, the ones with FO are usually only ussed for kamikaze attacks.
FPV 是無線電遙控的四旋翼無人機，通過第一人稱視角眼鏡（這就是FPV的來源） 進行控制，它們可以安裝戰(zhàn)斗部，然后撞向敵人或用于投擲爆炸物。由于電子戰(zhàn)，先是 俄羅斯后來是烏克蘭開始使用光纖控制自己的無人機，而使用光纖的無人機通常只 用于自殺式攻擊。

Effective_Ebb_4482·1d ago
Thanks for explanation   
感謝解釋

_Fittek_·1d ago
Not so barbed wire
不太帶刺的鐵絲網(wǎng)

doogiethehead·1d ago
Ignorant and honest question, what’s the difference between the drones they were using early on compared to, “fiber optic” please and thank you
一個無知但誠實的問題，他們早期使用的無人機和“光纖”之間有什么區(qū)別，請謝謝

JangoDarkSaber·1d ago
Most drones communicate through rf. Its like talking to the drone.
大多數(shù)無人機通過射頻通信。這就像和無人機對話。
Jamming is like screaming louder than the controller that’s talking so the drone can’t hear the legitimate instructions.
干擾就像比控制器喊得更響，這樣無人機就聽不到正確指令。
With fiber optic it’s like you got a 2 cups and a piece of string. You can talk directly. It doesn’t matter how loud the guy shouts cause it doesn’t matter anymore.
使用光纖就像你有了兩個杯子和小段繩子。你可以直接對話。不管其它人喊得多響，都 不再重要了。

randyrandysonrandyso·1d ago
fiber optic just refers to the cable that is used to guide the drones. the difference between these and the earlier drones is the usage of a cable, which prevents jamming.
光纖指的是用來引導無人機的線纜。這些無人機和早期無人機的區(qū)別在于使用了線纜， 從而防止了干擾。

CharlieD00M·18h ago
Something tells me this will become an ecological problem in the not so distant future.
有一種預感，這將在不久的將來成為一個生態(tài)問題。

Hartzer_at_worK·18h ago
glas is inert. but broken down and ingested by the lokal fauna, maybe. not as bad as decaying, unexplodes explosives though...
玻璃是惰性的。但被當?shù)貏游锓纸獠z入，也許吧。雖然不如銹蝕的未爆炸彈藥那么糟 糕...

-acm·12h ago
So you know the brass goblins you see at gun ranges scooping up the used casings? I wonder if there is any value in used fiber optic cables.
所以你知道在槍械射擊場看到的那種撿拾彈殼的“黃銅地精”嗎？我想知道廢舊的光纜是否有任何價值。

DraveenLTU·10h ago
Fiber optic cable. High speed internet.
光纜。高速互聯(lián)網(wǎng)。