伊朗大使館呼吁印度向以色列施壓，稱“支持和平的大國應(yīng)發(fā)揮作用”

IREDA1000
Why would Israel listen to India ? 
I don’t think Israel would listen to anyone, they know Americans won’t back out and that’s enough assurance.

為什么以色列要聽印度的？我覺得以色列誰的話都不會(huì)聽，他們知道美國人不會(huì)退出，這就足夠有保障了。

noir_dx -> IREDA1000
It's more to make a country's stance clear.

更多是為了明確一個(gè)國家的立場(chǎng)。

MahatmaBapu69 -> noir_dx
Did Iran make it's stance clear on 7th May?

伊朗在 5 月 7 日明確立場(chǎng)了嗎？

noir_dx -> MahatmaBapu69
You do realize that india and Iran are allies and supplies oil, yes? Iran opened its air space for Indian students to return home while israel is not letting anybody out, including Indians who were shipped out there. Israel also killed two Indian army UN peacekeeping soldiers in Lebanon but never gave an explanation. 
Maybe vishwaguru should learn to be one rather than working hard to make India an isolated country only to provide cheap exploitable labour.

你知道印度和伊朗是盟友，而且伊朗給印度供應(yīng)石油吧？伊朗為印度學(xué)生開放領(lǐng)空讓他們回國，而以色列卻不讓任何人離開，包括被送到那里的印度人。以色列還在黎巴嫩殺害了兩名印度籍聯(lián)合國維和士兵，但從未給出解釋。也許 “世界導(dǎo)師” 應(yīng)該學(xué)著成為真正的導(dǎo)師，而不是努力把印度變成一個(gè)孤立的國家，只為提供廉價(jià)可剝削的勞動(dòng)力。

KizaruMus -> noir_dx
Iran plays both sides. India and Iran are geopolitical partners to satisfy each others needs, their relation is not based on some deeper love, or common values. Indian students were in Iran so they bear some responsibility as these students bring in the much needed forex for an isolated country. 
I don't think Israel purposefully targeted Indian peacekeepers who are on UN duty. Also these matters are discussed via govt to govt contacts, so we don't know what transpired regarding this issue. 
About India being isolated, I would point you to current relationship between India and Arab countries. Also between India and other countries in the Mediterranean sea like Greece, Cyprus etc. India is poised to build stronger relations with many countries in that region of the world with stronger military and defense ties. These all don't seem to be indicative of an isolated country. Also exporting labour is a positive as this leads to greater people to people contacts, on top of providing jobs and also providing service to host countries.

伊朗在兩邊都下注。印度和伊朗是地緣政治伙伴，滿足彼此需求，他們的關(guān)系不是基于更深的愛或共同價(jià)值觀。印度學(xué)生在伊朗，所以伊朗對(duì)他們有一定責(zé)任，因?yàn)檫@些學(xué)生為這個(gè)被孤立的國家?guī)砹思毙璧耐鈪R。我不認(rèn)為以色列是故意針對(duì)在聯(lián)合國服役的印度維和人員。此外，這些事情是通過政府間接觸討論的，所以我們不知道這個(gè)問題背后發(fā)生了什么。
關(guān)于印度被孤立，請(qǐng)看看印度與阿拉伯國家目前的關(guān)系，以及與希臘、塞浦路斯等地中海國家的關(guān)系。印度正準(zhǔn)備通過加強(qiáng)軍事和國防聯(lián)系，與該地區(qū)的許多國家建立更牢固的關(guān)系，這些都不像是一個(gè)被孤立國家的跡象。此外，積極出口勞動(dòng)力，因?yàn)檫@會(huì)促進(jìn)人與人之間的聯(lián)系，同時(shí)提供就業(yè)機(jī)會(huì)并為東道國提供服務(wù)。

noir_dx -> KizaruMus
Every country plays both sides. Self-interest comes first. However, there are times when you need to take a stand rather than abstaining from things. If we keep abstaining from such important UN votes, heavens forbid, when we need help from key countries, we'll be ignored. 
Anyways, there's no point in speaking with someone who thinks Israel didn't know the peacekeeping forces stationed there, despite not being a secret base, having distinguishable uniforms and vehicles with the big "UN" abbreviation on the building, vehicles, and watch towers. Exporting cheap, exploitable labour is not a good thing. It's just the government's way of shifting away its responsibilities, as it failed to create employable opportunities.

每個(gè)國家都在兩邊下注，利益優(yōu)先。然而，有些時(shí)候你需要表明立場(chǎng)，而不是回避。如果我們?cè)谌绱酥匾穆?lián)合國投票中一直回避，萬一哪天我們需要關(guān)鍵國家的幫助，就會(huì)被忽視。
不管怎樣，和一個(gè)認(rèn)為以色列不知道那里駐扎著維和部隊(duì)的人說話沒意義，盡管那不是秘密基地，他們有可識(shí)別的制服和車輛，建筑物、車輛和瞭望塔上都有大大的 “UN” 縮寫。出口廉價(jià)、可剝削的勞動(dòng)力不是好事，這只是政府轉(zhuǎn)移責(zé)任的方式，因?yàn)樗茨軇?chuàng)造就業(yè)機(jī)會(huì)。

KizaruMus -> noir_dx
UN assembly votes are not worth the paper on which they are printed. There is no mechanism to enforce anything that the general assembly passes. Even UN security council resolutions are not enforceable until the P-5 use their military power to enforce it. Just look at the ICJ case that ukraine filed against Russia in 2022, Russia ignored it and war is still going on 3 years after ICJ decided the case in ukraine's favor. In these situations the countries who move resolutions in general assembly, etc. are not looking at solutions, they are just looking to earn some virtue points and feel good about themselves. But the countries against whom the resolutions are brought up feel that world is conspiring against them and want to isolate them. So in light of these scenarios it  might be better to abstain and not take any sides because the outcome of these votes are inconsequential. 
Remember that collateral damage is always a reality in war. In 1967 six day war, Israel by mistake shot down a US naval ship, USS Liberty. These types on incidents are very unfortunate and regrettable part of warfare. In the case of UN peacekeeping forces and paraphernalia being attacked, it is prudent to remember that UN compounds in gaza were used to store weapons and also housed terrorists so UN is not without blemishes in this conflict. That being said I don't condone attacks on UN peacekeepers but everything has to be viewed in a context. 
As for labour export, it is a strong point of a country with overpopulation and is a show of skilled labour force. That being said Indian govt should help laborers like the ones who built the football stadiums in Qatar for FIFA world cup as those were working under adverse conditions. Not every laborer is exploited, some go outside to earn more money for their family. As more and more infrastructure projects are being planned in India some of these laborers will be employed in India.

聯(lián)合國大會(huì)的投票一文不值，沒有機(jī)制來執(zhí)行大會(huì)通過的任何決議。甚至聯(lián)合國安理會(huì)決議也無法執(zhí)行，除非五常動(dòng)用軍事力量來執(zhí)行。看看烏克蘭在 2022 年對(duì)俄羅斯提起的國際法院案件，俄羅斯無視了它，戰(zhàn)爭在國際法院裁定烏克蘭勝訴三年后仍在繼續(xù)。在這種情況下，在大會(huì)等場(chǎng)合提出決議的國家不是在尋求解決方案，只是想賺取一些道德積分，自我感覺良好。但被提出決議的國家會(huì)覺得世界在密謀反對(duì)它們，想要孤立它們。因此，鑒于這些情況，最好是棄權(quán)，不站任何一邊，因?yàn)檫@些投票的結(jié)果無關(guān)緊要。
記住，戰(zhàn)爭中附帶損害總是難以避免。1967 年六日戰(zhàn)爭中，以色列誤擊了美國海軍艦艇 “自由號(hào)”。這類事件是戰(zhàn)爭中非常不幸和令人遺憾的一部分。關(guān)于聯(lián)合國維和部隊(duì)及其裝備遭到襲擊，需要謹(jǐn)慎記住，加沙的聯(lián)合國駐地被用來儲(chǔ)存武器，還藏匿了恐怖分子，所以聯(lián)合國在這場(chǎng)沖突中也并非毫無過錯(cuò)。話說如此，我并非要為襲擊維和人員開脫，但任何事都需放在具體情境中考量。
至于勞動(dòng)力出口，這是一個(gè)人口過剩國家的優(yōu)勢(shì)，也是熟練勞動(dòng)力的體現(xiàn)。然而，印度政府應(yīng)該幫助像在卡塔爾為國際足聯(lián)世界杯建造足球場(chǎng)的勞工，他們?cè)趷毫訔l件下工作。并非每個(gè)勞工都被剝削，有些人出國是為了給家人賺更多錢。隨著印度規(guī)劃越來越多的基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施項(xiàng)目，這些勞工中的一些將在印度就業(yè)。

Marcus_Aurelius71 -> noir_dx
Yep let’s also not forget that Iran is India’s first overseas project with Chandhar port.

是的，別忘了伊朗的恰赫巴哈爾港是印度的第一個(gè)海外項(xiàng)目。

faraday__1971 -> MahatmaBapu69
Bruuh, a lot happened since that day. Including killing of around 10,000 kids in gaza. What israel did for its revenge is inhumane af. Both sides dont care about civilians.
Any sane indian would be neutral by now. Both of them are assholes who are strategically important for us. We want a world where both can coexist with overall stability in the region.

兄弟，從那天起發(fā)生了很多事，包括加沙約 1 萬名兒童被殺。以色列的報(bào)復(fù)行為是不人道的。雙方都不在乎平民，任何理智的印度人現(xiàn)在都會(huì)保持中立。他們兩個(gè)都是混蛋，但對(duì)我們來說都具有戰(zhàn)略重要性。我們希望有一個(gè)雙方可以共存、地區(qū)總體穩(wěn)定的世界。

LoyalKopite -> MahatmaBapu69
They stayed neutral.

他們保持中立。

Titswari -> IREDA1000
Israel doesn’t even listen to the Americans

以色列甚至不聽美國人的。

LoyalKopite -> Titswari
It depends.

這要看情況。

shevy-java -> Titswari
No, I think they would listen, if there would be a strong and committed government. Trump is just flip-flopping and playing golf. That's not a strong government. His personal wealth amassed by +200% (or +100%, I don't have the exact number) in the last 2 years. His interests are to benefit from everything personally.
Most of Israel's supplies go through the USA. Without that support there would be no possibility for such a small country to offset larger nearby countries. So in principle a strong government in the USA would have more leverage over Israel. A weak government has no chance here.

不，我認(rèn)為如果有一個(gè)強(qiáng)大且堅(jiān)定的政府，他們會(huì)聽的。特朗普只是搖擺不定，還在打高爾夫，這不是一個(gè)強(qiáng)大的政府。他的個(gè)人財(cái)富在過去兩年里增加了 200%（或 100%，我沒有確切數(shù)字），他的利益就是事事為自己謀私利。以色列的大部分物資都通過美國運(yùn)輸，沒有這種支持，這樣一個(gè)小國不可能抗衡附近更大的國家。所以原則上，美國的強(qiáng)政府對(duì)以色列有更大的影響力，弱政府在這里沒有機(jī)會(huì)。

Iconic_Mithrandir -> IREDA1000
I mean, Israel imports a majority of its food, largely from Southern Europe and Turkey. If those countries were to threaten to even moderately restrict exports unless Israel ceases its war of aggression against Iran and pulls out of Gaza, Israel would not be in a strong position.
The US could step in, but the US is also actively deporting all of its farm workers right now thanks to Cheeto Benito's idiocy...so they may be challenged in actually delivering

我的意思是，以色列大部分糧食進(jìn)口來自南歐和土耳其。如果這些國家威脅要適度限制出口，除非以色列停止對(duì)伊朗的侵略戰(zhàn)爭并撤出加沙，以色列的處境將不妙。美國可能會(huì)介入，但由于特朗普的愚蠢，美國現(xiàn)在正在積極驅(qū)逐所有農(nóng)場(chǎng)工人… 所以他們可能在實(shí)際交付上遇到挑戰(zhàn)。

TylerDurdenpromax
Israel controls the world's strongest nation and has literally bought off all politicians , senators and house members of that cunttree with a few thousand dollars. Do u think they will listen to India ?

以色列控制著世界上最強(qiáng)大的國家，實(shí)際上用幾千美元就收買了那個(gè)國家的所有政客、參議員和眾議員。你認(rèn)為他們會(huì)聽印度的嗎？

Hot-bookworm -> TylerDurdenpromax
Few thousands dollars?? It's way above that number, I read somewhere if we take an average it comes close to a million DOLLARS and they buy politician on both sides, not being antisemitic but that community got hell lot of money trump got like 100$ million. Plus American banks aren't even central banks they are pvt banks (guess who owns it) it's just survival of the fittest they are just too intelligent 

幾千美元？遠(yuǎn)不止這個(gè)數(shù)字，我在某處讀到，如果取平均值，接近 100 萬美元，他們收買雙方的政客，不是反猶主義，但那個(gè)群體確實(shí)有很多錢，特朗普得到了大約 1 億美元。此外，美國的銀行甚至不是中央銀行，它們是私人銀行（猜猜是誰擁有的），這就是適者生存，他們太聰明了。

TylerDurdenpromax -> Hot-bookworm
There are some low level senators who have been paid less... But yeah Trump and other famous Democrats like Biden and Clinton etc have got millions of dollars. U aren't Antisemitic lol. It's just become so obvious now yet people are not ready to accept the fact and term it Antisemitic. Yes too intelligent XD.

有些低級(jí)參議員拿的錢少一些…… 但特朗普和其他著名民主黨人，如拜登和克林頓等，已經(jīng)拿到了數(shù)百萬美元。你不是反猶主義者，哈哈，現(xiàn)在這已經(jīng)很明顯了，但人們還不愿意接受這個(gè)事實(shí)，并稱之為反猶主義。是啊，太聰明了 XD。

Iconic_Mithrandir -> TylerDurdenpromax
People call "Jews run the world from the shadows" anti-semitic...and as a caricature it is.
But then you see AIPAC with their arm literally up the ass of 90% of US politicians, working their mouths like puppets, and its impossible to ignore the reality is far closer to the caricature than most would like to recognize.

人們稱 “猶太人在幕后統(tǒng)治世界” 為反猶主義… 作為一種刻板印象，它確實(shí)是。但當(dāng)你看到美國以色列公共事務(wù)委員會(huì)（AIPAC）的手臂幾乎伸進(jìn) 90% 美國政客的屁股里，像操縱木偶一樣操縱他們的嘴時(shí)，就無法忽視現(xiàn)實(shí)比大多數(shù)人愿意承認(rèn)的更接近這種刻板印象。

Hot-bookworm -> TylerDurdenpromax
Exactly, sure it's good for community and their interest but extremely bad for any democracy.

確實(shí)，當(dāng)然這對(duì)他們的社區(qū)和利益有好處，但對(duì)任何民主國家都極其不利。

muxecoid
Just reminding that Iran is responsible for civil war in Yemen that killed more Muslim Arabs than Israel ever will.

提醒一下，伊朗對(duì)也門內(nèi)戰(zhàn)負(fù)有責(zé)任，殺死的阿拉伯穆斯林比以色列曾經(jīng)殺的還多。

NicePhilosopher6525 -> muxecoid
Let's not speak bs either. The Yemen fiasco barely has anything to do with Iran, except for some moral + limited armed support for the Houthis. And the Saudis are more to blame for the death and destruction in Yemen, than Iran is.
However, it is true that Iran has bloodied its hands in Syria, by backing the murderous Assad regime.
Eitherways, backing either Iran or Israel is stupidity for India, since both are useful and key regional allies.

我們也不要說廢話。也門的慘敗與伊朗幾乎沒有關(guān)系，除了對(duì)胡塞武裝的一些道義和有限的武裝支持。沙特對(duì)也門的死亡和破壞比伊朗應(yīng)負(fù)的責(zé)任更大。然而，伊朗確實(shí)在敘利亞沾了血，支持了殺人的阿薩德政權(quán)。無論如何，支持伊朗或以色列對(duì)印度來說都是愚蠢的，因?yàn)閮烧叨际怯杏玫年P(guān)鍵地區(qū)盟友。

BigDimension4580
We should mind our business and not get involved in this conflict, if you guys feels it's wrong, instead of virtue signalling you can go to iran and fight.

我們應(yīng)該管好自己的事，不要卷入這場(chǎng)沖突。如果你們覺得這是錯(cuò)的，與其進(jìn)行道德表態(tài)，不如去伊朗戰(zhàn)斗。

TaraLadka
Iran shouldn't be allowed to have nukes
Iran having nukes means half the terrorist groups have nukes

不應(yīng)該允許伊朗擁有核武器，伊朗擁有核武器意味著一半的恐怖組織擁有核武器。

Raza-Ansari_786 -> TaraLadka
Bro it will balance the power in middle East and israel will remain docile , no harm towards middle eastern countries ,we should keep a better stance coz we get remittances and employment from middle East , israel docile , that area will spur

兄弟，這會(huì)平衡中東的力量，以色列將保持溫順，對(duì)中東國家沒有傷害。我們應(yīng)該保持更好的立場(chǎng)，因?yàn)槲覀儚闹袞|獲得匯款和就業(yè)機(jī)會(huì)，以色列溫順了，那個(gè)地區(qū)就會(huì)繁榮發(fā)展。

Diligent_Driver_5049 -> Raza-Ansari_786
bro said "Israel " and "docile " in same sentence . Bro is more delusional than a kid believing in Santa Claus.

兄弟你竟然能把 “以色列” 和 “溫順” 放在同一個(gè)句子里。兄弟比相信圣誕老人的孩子還妄想啊。